I like these pants. Form fitting. I'm 5'11" and 223-225 lbs. I'm pretty muscular for my frame and these pants are great for my security officer work. My first order from this company I got the beige pants and I actually prefer these pants over a few other different manufacturers "Tactical" pants. These pants don't give you the "droopy saggy" ass look until like a year in where at that point the thread becomes real light and abused...then it's time for a new pair of pants. If you get a full years run out these pants you'd have gotten your money's worth. All in all this is my third order in as many years. Good solid strong pants that dry well after a sudden shower .